Group Lead, Ved Krishna
Environment day at Good Garbage couldn’t have been greener! 🌳 In today’s episode, GreenKey Group co-founder and fellow podcaster, Kelly Williams brings in his unique expertise in the field of sustainable packaging. We discuss his early influences, the challenges and lessons learned in the petroleum
0:00 – Why hasn't it reached material science for packaging
Until they change the rick raw law, which at that point called waste the state’s problem, it’s always going to be treated with whether it’s revered as garbage, it’s going to be treated as it. Hello. Hello. Welcome to the good garbage podcast. My name is V Krishna. My primary reason for existence has been to find ways to leave our wonderful planet c
10:00 – So, they sell to the label manufacturers, label stock manufacturers
given me so much to unpack there, Kelly. So anyways, one of the things one of the I I was with some remarkable people uh last week, this week um and um one of the things I was questioning this amazing woman who’s been on my show, it’s she’s called Sean Sutherland and she runs something called a plastic planet. Really amazing person. And I was askin
21:00 – Flexible packaging started with cellophane and glassinecoated paper
and then to a retail shelf. So that was a simple solution. It made sense. Just bury it behind a windshield. And I had an engineer at Craft back in like 2006, 2005 waiting for other people to show up because I was talking to him about MDO. Um told me that what we have done, we’re never going to be able to turn it back. And what he what he meant was
32:00 – The only reason we're not making lactic acid from food waste is fear of...
right uh with a with a petroleum polymer my challenge is that I never see ultimately it’ll become like a polyester and lie in Arakama desert catching fire or something like that and then of course we have one ozone layer thankfully and it’s not getting out of there so it’s coming down as acid rain or whatever in the end or creating you know carbon
43:00 – Good garbage is sponsored by Pekka, a family of brands that produces compostable packaging...
it’s coexistence, but how do you see the whole PHA stream? PHA, I’m not even going to say PHA versus PLA, but PHA and PLA and and how do you see both of those? Um, I’m just going to be brutally honest with with that question because I’ve been asked why isn’t PHA like why am I saying the three Ps of packaging? I like PHA. It’s an unlimited toolkit t
53:00 – Compost is where carbon regenerates
convey this as clearly as possible. We have already had the warning signs of this. I think the global um recession in ’09, the pandemic because of hydrocarbons and the fact that we treat trees because hemp has twice as much cellulose as tree does. But we use trees because we have created the centralized fossil industry approach to harvesting cellul
64:00 – The the plastics industry doesn't want to see compostable packaging be successful
just looking at the past and under you know it’s funny because people in sustainability roles today like you almost have to be always looking into the future right and Sometimes we just need to stop and look at the past before we start extrapolating into the future because the past tells you a lot of what you need to know and we’re seeing a lot of
75:00 – Roots to Fruits is that culmination from that moment mowing my yard in June...
superb and succinct. Um, and that takes me to my final question. What does good garbage mean to you? I love it. I love that question. I was not expecting that at all, but I love it. Um, because the, uh, we got to start I’m not saying we stop using the word that’s ridiculous, but we got to start thinking about it differently, just like throwaway, ri
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